Goldfoot Genealogy

 Nadene Goldfoot   

Dad, known in South Portland boxing circles as Billy Meshke, AKA Morris Goldfoot, son of Nathan Abraham Goldfoot, below:

                     Nathan Abraham Goldfus b: 1871-d: 1912 

My brother was tested with the Big Y haplogroup test offered by Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) and it is QBZ67. Earlier before the Big Y test, David was listed as a Q-M242, and Q-Y2200   I have traced the Goldfoot line through David to our father, Moshe Goldfoot/Morris Goldfoot/Maurice Goldfoot to our grandfather, Nathan Abraham Goldfoot/Goldfus (Nathan "Nokhim Avram"Abraham" Goldfus Goldfoot) to Telsiai, Lithuania who had immigrated to England, then Dublin, Ireland where he lived with other Goldfoots.  He even married briefly and then somehow got to Council, Idaho and married our grandmother (Bubbie) Zlata Jermulowski/sky.  We knew our grandfather only as Nathan Goldfoot.  I was not aware of any middle name until I did genealogy searches, or where he was born.  Census only said "Russia."    

One thing I can be sure is that the whole line of Goldfus that I found were from Telsiai going back to about 1730, and that there were many on our tree.     

The problem is that I do not have paper evidence as to Nathan's parents.  I chose Movsha ben Josel (John) Goldfus born 1836 in Telsiai, Lithuania from others because of the first name which was probably Moshe as my father's was on his birth certificate.  Otherwise, I might not have realized that his name of Morris was the chosen anglicized form for Moshe (Moses).  The Jewish custom was to name after the deceased.  Movsha of Telsiai (Telz) was a distiller.  (a person or company that manufactures liquor."barrels that the master distiller deems to be of superior quality"). 

Then I was found by Ian Goldfoot who had moved to the States from South Africa.  We talked and realized at once that we were of the same Goldfoot line.  Ian tested his haplogroup DNA and was an Q-M378, a little different from my brother's Q-M242.  

The direct lines of both Nathan Abraham Goldfoot, my grandfather, and Ian Goldfoot and to his half-sister, Denise, my contemporary-born in 1934, and my 3rd cousin,  is as follows:

Me: Nadene Goldfoot b: 1934 Portland, OR; f: Moshe,Maurice Goldfoot b: 1908 Portland; to Nathan Abraham Goldfus b: 1871 Telsiai, Lithuania to Movsha Goldfus b: 1836, to Iosel Josel Symka ben Yankel Goldfus b: 1798, to Iankel Yankel ben Abram Goldfus b: 1768-1774

Ian: Ian Goldfoot b: 1934 Krugerdorp, South Africa, f: Solomon Shlomo Solly Goldfoot b: 1904, Dublin, Ireland;  Hyman Haim Goldfus Goldfoot b: 1867 Telsiai, to Avraham Haim Goldfus b: 1825 Telsiai, to Iankel Yankel ben Abram Goldfus b: 1768-1774

Therefore, as far as I can tell, Ian and my connection goes back to 1768 in Telsiai,Lithuania to Iankel or Yankel ben Abram Goldfus and his wife, Khana. Ian is 3rd cousin to my brother and myself and to my contemporary 1st cousins from my father's family.   

1.  IANKEL YANKEL BEN ABRAM⁶ GOLDFUS  (ABRAM⁵, IONES JONAH⁴, UNKNOWN DNA MATCHING³, JACOB², SALTMAN¹ KALONYMUS, DARSHAN, JAFFE) was born Bet. 1768 - 1774 in Telsai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania, and died December 06, 1860 in Telsliai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania.  He married (2) KHANA UNKNOWN Abt. 1800.  She was born Abt. 1778 in Telsiai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania. 

Notes for IANKEL YANKEL BEN ABRAM GOLDFUS:

3/9/08  I found a Rachel Clare Goldfoot b: 4 Feb 1906 and died Oct 1986 in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire at age 80.  She may have been a widow of a Goldfoot, I don't know. 

I found and met Stanley Goldfoot in Jerusalem.  He is my  3rd cousin.  Stanley was a contemporary of my mother. Stanley was born in 1914 in South Africa.  His father was Simon Goldfoot b: 1874 in Telsiai, Lithuania,  and grandfather was SOLOMON-Shlomo Zalman Goldfus/ Goldfoot b: 1848-1849. then his father was Avrohom Abraham Haim Goldfus b: 1825 in Telsiai, making Stanley and Ian related through Abraham Haim Goldfus as 2nd cousins. 

Stanley was the Chief of Intelligence for the Stern Group, called the Stern Gang by the British who were holding the 30 year mandate of Palestine.  He had immigrated to Palestine at age 18 right out of high school in Houghton, Johannesburg, South Africa.  Meeting him in Jerusalem at the King David Hotel was a thrill !  We met several times after that at his home.  

3/11/08  Oral history from Stanley Goldfoot and Denise's father, Solomon Goldfoot, was that they were descendants of  Vilna Gaon, who was Elijah Ben Solomon Zalman.  1720-1797.  Talmudist.

He was born in Lithuania and was early famed for his scholarship.  From 1740-1745 he traveled among the Jewish communities of Poland and Germany, settling in Vilna where he taught and later founded his own academy.  He lived in seclusion and refused rabbinic office.  He was called a saint and a scholar.  He led the opposition to the Hasidim in Lithuania, ordering their excommunication and the destruction of their literature.  His obdurate attitude checked the spread of Hasidism in Lithuania.  When he was about 60, he set out unaccompanied for Palestine but returned before reading it.  His reputation lies primarily in the field of halakhah.  He sought to establish critical texts of the authoritative rabbinic writings, resorting also to emendations.  He avoided pilpul and based his views and rulings upon the plain meaning of the text.  He regarded highly the early kabbalistic works, and was extremely critical of philosophy.  He was interested in secular studies insofar as they threw light on the Torah, but he opposed the Haskalah.  His works include commentaries on the Bible, annotations on the Talmud, Midrash, and Zohar, works on mathematics, the geography of Palestine, Hebrew grammar, etc.  He exercised a vast influence on his own and succeeding generations, the Mitnaggedim regarding him as their spiritual leader. 

from Geni:  Dear Ezra,

Looking at your tree it appears that someone has given your patriline the identification of: Haplogroup Q-M242 / Q-Y2754 Y-DNA (in the about section of your father's profile and in the pedigree up to Moshe (Movsha) Magid). Do you know how this Q-M242 identification came to be associated to your pedigree? ( b: 1791 in Vilnius, Lithuania).  

From the GENI tree it appears that Moshe Magid is the patriline great grand nephew of HaGRA. If all of this is correct and verifiable then it seems that indeed HaGRA is a Q-M242. Can you please cite the Maciamo Hay paper?

If this above holds true than you yourself may be a patriline relation of HaGRA. Have you done your yDNA testing?

Cordially and Appreciatively,
Adam  (when researching about Vilna Gaon) 

4/1/15  and 6/17/15,  Yankel died at age 92 from old age, on Lithuania death list of LitvakSIG.  On Tevet 5.  also from Jewishgen through Dennis Khan.  

Q-M242 is believed to have arisen around the Altai Mountains area (or South Central Siberia), approximately 17,000 to 31,700 years ago. However, the matter remains unclear due to limited sample sizes and changing definitions of Haplogroup Q: early definitions used a combination of the SNPs M242, P36.2, and MEH2 as defining mutations.

More About IANKEL YANKEL BEN ABRAM GOLDFUS:

Name 2: Iankel Yankel Goldfus

Name 3: Iankel Yankel Ben Abram Goldfus

Date born 2: 1768

Date born 3: Bet. 1768 - 1774, Telsiai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lithuania

Died 2: Tevet 5  6/12/1860

Cause of Death: old age

Census 1: 1811, age 37 Telsiai

Census 2: August 17, 1816, age 42, Revision, Iankel, Abram, head of household

Census 3: August 17, 1816, Telsiai, Telsiai, Kaunas, Lith. age 42 (Revision List)

Citizenship 1: May 23, 1846, Well-to-do, 8 kopecks, with family, Candle Taxpayers

Citizenship 2: 1855, Wooden house worth 500 rubles in Kaunas, real estate owners tax,

DNA 1: ca1775-ca1867

DNA 2: 1804, Czarist law: registration of Jewish births

Occupation: May 23, 1846, Tax & Voters Lists: KRA/1-49/1/1381 

More About KHANA UNKNOWN:

Census 1: August 17, 1816, Telsiai, age 40 , wife of Iankel son of Abram, Rvision List

Census 2: August 17, 1816, Revision, Age 40, wife of Iankel 

More About IANKEL GOLDFUS and KHANA UNKNOWN:

Marriage: Abt. 1800

To find the connection of a 3rd cousin is quite a feat.  However, we Jews make up only 0.02% of the world population, and of the Jewish haplogroups, Qs make up probably about 5% or less of this group as well.  We're a rare group !  May we continue somehow!  We're going to depend on those who did not change their names and are still Goldfus. It takes a male to keep the surname going.  

 From What Haplogroup WE Be?  from another of my blogs:  

Q1b1: 5% of Ashkenazi Jewish men are found to be Q1b, of which is my father’s haplogroup (Q1b1a or Q-L245) and the latest is called Q-Y2200, updated to Q-BZ67.  Q originated in Central Asia 15,000 to 20,000 years ago and the men migrated through northern Eurasia into the Americas. Q3 became Native Americans coming from a mutation that happened 8,000 to 12,000 years ago. Q1b’s are from the Altai Mountains in Mongolia, Siberia and parts of Turkey. Khazaria may be the home of Q1b’s, and therefore these men could be part of the Ashina Royal Dynasty. Their common ancestor was a man 1,000 years ago. New Q SNP test results in: Q-L245 is Ashkenazi, Q-Y2780=ca 1400 CE; Q-&Ip1071=ca 700 CE, Q-&Ip1010-11 YP1008=800 CE, Q-&P1009=1400 CE ; ?????

• Q1a2 (L56, M346): found in Kazakhstan, Russia, Armenia and Hungary
• Q1a2a (L53): found among the Mongols
• Q1a2a1 (L54): found in Mesolthic western Russia
• Q1a2a1a (CTS11969)
• Q1a2a1a1 (M3): the main subclade of Native Americans
• Q1a2a1a2 (L804): found in Germany, Scandinavia and Britain
• Q1a2a1a2a (L807): observed in Britain
• Q1a2a1b (Z780): found among Native Americans, notably in Mexico
• Q1a2a1c (L330): the main subclade of the Mongols, also found among the Kazakhs and Uzbeks, as well as in Ukraine, Turkey and Greece (probably Mongolian and Turkic)
• Q1a2b (L940): found in Central Asia, Afghanistan, India, Russia, Georgia, Hungary, Poland and Germany
• Q1a2b1 (L527): found almost exclusively in Scandinavia and places settled by the Vikings
• Q1a2b2 (L938): observed in Anatolia, Lithuania, Britain and Portugal
• Q1a2b2a (L939): observed in Britain
• Q1a2c (M323)
• Q1b (L275): found among the Tatars of Russia, in Central Asia, Afghanistan and Pakistan
• Q1b1 (M378): observed in Kazakhstan, India and Germany
• Q1b1a (L245): found in the Middle East, among the Jews, in Central Europe and in Sicily
• Q1b1a1 (L272.1): found in Sicily (probably Phoenician)

Resource:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_Q-M242

Book:  Eliyahu's Branches by Chaim Freedman, the Descendants of the Vilna Gaon and his family, 685 pages, large heavy book, but lists people, not dna.  

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